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So, I'll start off at the beginning...

I've been drinkin' a bit. Nothin' crazy, just the usual. I check deviantart like I do every day and find a note. I like when I find these because 9 out of 10 times, it's someone lookin' for some freelance art.

So, I read the note, and about 5 sentences in, I read "no pay"... For a 14 page job...

I understand its tough to get projects goin', and money is usually tight, but this isn't the way to get quality work on your book.

Anyway, here's my response. I hope you guys enjoy it, and don't work for free. Enjoy:

Hi ?????,

Thank you for the kind words!

I stopped reading after "non paid". Sorry to come off as harsh, but it's really a terrible practice to ask illustrators to contribute to a book with no pay, and to then go on and comment about how a kickstarter campaign will pay for the cover (the smallest amount of work, might I add), the colorist, and the printing/shipping costs. What are the illustrators? Just a bunch of hacks who can work for free? Again, I apologize for comin' off harsh, but I just got in from a long week of work (at my full time job turnin' wrenches, because no one wants to pay for quality illustrators), and I've had a few beers... So my edge is pretty sharp tonight. A word of advice: you get what you pay for. In this case, expect a cover and a colorist.

Thanks for the inquiry,

Joe
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:iconsoliton:
soliton Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Professional General Artist
I'm pretty sure you're my idol of the day.
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:iconboston-joe:
boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Ha! I'm honored
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MazAdamsArt Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I just cried a little.....but seriously man you are entitled. We've all come across things/people like that over and over.
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:iconboston-joe:
boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
It happens. It turns out, the guy asking is new to the whole comic thing, and didn't realize what he was asking.
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Baetones Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Professional
hell yeah! dead on! agree all the way
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billyt1978 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013
That was too nice....
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:iconboston-joe:
boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I'm a nice guy!
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NJValente Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Professional
Thanks for posting this! Its a problem I run into from time to time as well, and man is it annoying. I just had two writers tell me they like to hire me for a full issue then turn around and ask if I can do 3-4 pages for free and then they would run a Kickstarter to pay me for the rest. Obviously I told them to go elsewhere. And as it turns out, I was contacted later that day by a previous client, willing to pay for the work.

We as artists have to stick to our guns, and not accept this.

Thanks again,

-Nick
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boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
My hope in posting this was to get the word out to some of the younger artists out there so they know what to look out for. It also was intended to double as an educational piece for those who are legitimately unaware of the business, who don't realize what they are asking of artists when they request free/spec work.

I've since had a few more conversations with the fella, and it turns out he was honestly unaware, and he, himself, is new to the whole comic business. I did feel bad after for being so quick to chastise his request.
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NJValente Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2013  Professional
I appreciate you putting this out there. One of the most frustrating things I run into as an aspiring comic creator, is the lack of comic business being discussed. I think there are a lot of things out there that shouldn't be considered taboo to talk about, pay, basic business practices, etc.

We all start somewhere, and I know a few of the harder lessons I learned early on, have certainly helped me since then.

All the best man!

-N
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anino-x Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
If an artist was going to work for free, I'd hope it'd be for their creator-owned project.
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RobotGorilla Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
I had something like this happen to me years ago (long before I was on Deviant Art). Someone e-mailed me (I have no idea who they were or how they got my e-mail) and asked me to draw a 64 page comic for free. 64 freakin' pages? Are you kidding me?

You really have to wonder about some people.
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boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
It happens. The thing that keeps this practice going is the artists who actually do the free work.
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seangordonmurphy Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
Yeah, those are annoying. Someone should compile a list of DON'T DOs when pitching artists.
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boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Between some of your past journal entries, and a handful of seasoned illustrators out there who have also discussed the subject at some length, I'm sure there's plenty that could be compiled into an easily understandable "how to" guide.
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evilnick Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You were nicer than I was to the last person, that asked me to work for free. I told him to go fuck himself. Free doesn't pay my bills.
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boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Ha! I try to be polite as possible. Sometimes these people really have no idea of how the industry works. As long as we educate them, they'll be better informed in the future.
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evilnick Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I started off polite until he said he had no way to pay. He wanted me to ink is book and asked if I knew a penciler that could draw like Jim Lee, The Kubert Brothers, among a few other top names. I asked him what kind of budget he had,and that's when I went off. I just got my graphic design degree at the time and had a feeling I was going to end up in aviation again.
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boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Aviation doesn't sound like a bad field. I work on bowling machines. But I'm sure we'd totally prefer to be drawing for a living.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013   Traditional Artist
I would say that's entirely fair. I can understand that many people might think that art is a fun hobby, and therefore doesn't need paying, but they really should try to understand the immense amount of effort that goes into gaining professional level skills, and that technically art is skilled labour, and deserves a higher rate of pay than most other professions.
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boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Yup. I'm sure the guy knew what he was doin' by askin for free work. He probably asked a bunch of other guys too, hoping just one would bite.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013   Traditional Artist
Indeed, hoping someone out there was naive enough to think exposure and experience alone were worth the effort.
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elKoi Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
Man that sucks, your stuff is top notch! You deserve to get paid for your work!
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:iconboston-joe:
boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
It's not a big deal. I get these requests often enough. It's just this time I actually voiced my opinion instead of being polite.
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JoeOiii Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
If you're doing free work you should be working on your own stuff! Divvvvveeerrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
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boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
That's what I'm doin' Joey O!!!
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JCoelho Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional
of course you know you're completely right. There are some gigs like the Abe Sapien and BNN that justify the freebie but otherwise it's counterproductive to entertain these kinda publishing practices... my best Joe!
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boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Of course Jorge! The Abe thing reached a huge audience and the BNN stuff has been nothing but positive since we started it. I don't consider those jobs "work". It's fun to do those pieces.
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pixelisedmind Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
That's funny, because as a colourist, people usually want me to work for free. Or better yet, pay a penciler and inker, and tell me that I'll get back-end pay.

Nooooo. I have to eat too.
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boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
We all do! You're a very talented and hard workin colorist. I was actually a bit surprised the guy was trying to manage some money to pay for the colorist because, like you said, that usually doesn't happen.
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pixelisedmind Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
You're perfectly right to stick to your guns, you're the most important part of the creation of a comic. You're the conduit for the writer, the voice even. Can't be allowing someone to think that kind of effort will not cost them.

Never mind the fact that the quality of your work alone is worth paying out for, without the effort of story telling and sequential work on top of superb style and technique.
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boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I appreciate it, man!
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pixelisedmind Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
No worries. Now I've buttered you up, I've got this comic that needs drawing. I hope you like working for free!
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:iconboston-joe:
boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Ha!!!
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Inenarrable Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013   Digital Artist
Excellent.
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future-parker Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional General Artist
That is hilarious, once you've had paid work in game studios etc, you're really gonna draw 14 pages for free. A cover would be cheeky enough, 14 pages! Out of interest how long does it take for you to draw a page I imagine at least a full day for pencils.
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boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I know, right! I got paid really well at 38 studios. Plus, they paid for 100% of my medical and dental insurance... And matched 100% of my 401k contributions (up to 6% of my income).

I'm a bit slow when I do pages. I'm capable of doing a page of pencils in one day, but I get distracted easily. TV, friends, social life... That stuff slows me down so much.
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future-parker Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional General Artist
At the moment I can do something that i'm happy with but i'm too slow that is what I would define as separating me from a professional level no way could I do a monthly book. Yeah the internet is the best and worst thing for artists so easy to waste time.
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Chopichu132 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
Unbelievable that people think production work is free and have the courage to even ask.
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boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Sean Murphy had a journal entry a long while back about this subject. If you know you need to hire an artist (of any kind), start saving some money so you can at least pay them SOMETHIN'. Even if you can't match the artists regular pay rate, they may be more inclined to work for you if you're offering some money.
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Chopichu132 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
Absolutely, I have found in more cases than not. Some would be willing to work with what you can pay. You are certainly not getting top dollar quality, but that's with in reason to payment and amount of pay. Cheers friend, I know that the freelance art work will pick up again for you. That's a link to Gutter's at the bottom. It's an online web comic that takes portfolio submissions i.e. a link to here or another website that show cases your stuff. I had a friend of a friend have some success in gaining a spot on it. It was my understanding that they pay you for your work, if they decide to take you on for a guest spot. Check it out if you might be interested. It's owned by the guy whom do the Least I could do, weekly comic. [link]
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boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Thanks for the link! I'll check it out.
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Chopichu132 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
Anytime!
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RandySiplon Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
*slow clap*
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:iconboston-joe:
boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Ha!!!
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ShaunONeil Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Jerks!!!
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boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
He asked the wrong pisscat!
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SketchMat Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2013  Professional General Artist
Truth.
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HangmansFable Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2013
Love you man, preach that truth! Your work is to good to just give it away, you bleed tallent, anyone who expects you to give it away is a fool.
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boston-joe Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I've done a bunch of free work in the past. But I can count ZERO times where a free job paid off later.
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